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Democracy and Freedom Losing Ground in Europe

Christopher Booker and Bruno Waterfield  |  Telegraph 1,874 views
December 18, 2008

“Imagine that a Franco-German MEP, invited to meet the Queen at Buckingham Palace, plonked down in front of her an EU ‘ring of stars’ flag, insisting that she hoist it over the palace alongside the Royal Standard, and then proceeded to address her in a deliberately insulting way…

Something not dissimilar took place at a remarkable recent meeting between the heads of the groups in the European Parliament and Vaclav Klaus, the Czech head of state, in his palace in Hradcany Castle, on a hill overlooking Prague [on December 5, 2008]. The aim was to discuss how the Czechs should handle the EU’s rotating six-monthly presidency when they take over from France on January 1.

The EU’s ruling elite view President Klaus, a distinguished academic economist, with a mixture of bewilderment, hatred and contempt. As his country’s prime minister, he applied to join the EU in the days after the fall of Communism in the 1990s. But now Klaus is alone among European leaders in expressing openly Eurosceptic views, not least about the Lisbon Treaty, which the Czech parliament has yet to ratify.”

— Christopher Booker, Telegraph.

 
We are publishing the excerpts from the transcript of a meeting between Václav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic, and members of the Conference of the Presidents of the European Parliament, who, by their methods of coercion, should rather be called “political hit men”).

[Transcript starts]

Daniel Cohn-Bendit, MEP: I brought you a flag, which — as we heard — you have everywhere here at the Prague Castle. It is the flag of the European Union, so I will place it here in front of you.

It will be a tough Presidency. The Czech Republic will have to deal with the work directive and climate package. EU climate package represents less than what our fraction would wish for. It will be necessary to hold on to the minimum of that. I am certain that the climate change represents not only a risk, but also a danger for the future development of the planet. My view is based on scientific views and majority approval of the EP and I know you disagree with me. You can believe what you want, I don’t believe, I know that global warming is a reality.

Lisbon Treaty… I don’t care about your opinions on it. I want to know what you are going to do if the Czech Chamber of Deputies and the Senate approve it. Will you respect the will of the representatives of the people? You will have to sign it.

I want you to explain to me what is the level of your friendship with Mr Ganley from Ireland. How can you meet a person whose funding is unclear? You are not supposed to meet him in your function. It is a man whose finances come from problematic sources and he wants to use them to be funding his election campaign into the EP.

President Vaclav Klaus: I must say that nobody has talked to me in such a style and tone for the past 6 years. You are not on the barricades in Paris here. I thought that these manners ended for us 18 years ago but I see I was wrong. I would not dare to ask how the activities of the Greens are funded. If you are concerned about a rational discussion in this half an hour, which we have, please give the floor to someone else, Mr Chairman.

EU Parliament President Hans-Gert Pöttering: No, we have plenty of time. My colleague will continue, because anyone from the members of the EP can ask you whatever he likes. (to Cohn-Bendit:) Please continue.

President Vaclav Klaus: This is incredible. I have never experienced anything like this before.

Daniel Cohn-Bendit: Because you have not experienced me..

President Vaclav Klaus: This is incredible.

Daniel Cohn-Bendit: We have always had good talks with President Havel. And what will you tell me about your attitude towards the anti-discrimination law? I will gladly inform you about our funding.

Hans-Gert Pöttering: Brian Crowley, please.

Brian Crowley, MEP: I am from Ireland and I am a member of a party in government. All his life my father fought against the British domination. Many of my relatives lost their lives. That is why I dare to say that the Irish wish for the Lisbon Treaty. It was an insult, Mr. President, to me and to the Irish people what you said during your state visit to Ireland. It was an insult that you met Declan Ganley, a man with no elected mandate. This man has not proven the sources from which his campaign was funded. I just want to inform you what the Irish felt. I wish you that you get the programme of your Presidency through and you will get through what European citizens want to see.

President Vaclav Klaus: Thank you for this experience which I gained from this meeting. I did not think anything like this is possible and have not experienced anything like this for the past 19 years. I thought it was a matter of the past, that we live in democracy, but it is post-democracy, really, which rules the EU.

You mentioned the European values. The most important value is freedom and democracy. The citizens of the EU member states are concerned about freedom and democracy, above all. But democracy and freedom are losing ground in the EU today. It is necessary to strive for them and fight for them.

I would like to emphasize, above all, what most citizens of the Czech Republic feel, that for us the EU membership has no alternative. It was me who submitted the EU application in the year 1996 and who signed the Accession treaty in 2003. But the arrangements within the EU have many alternatives. To take one of them as sacrosanct, untouchable, about which it is not possible to doubt or criticize it, is against the very nature of Europe.

As for the Lisbon Treaty, I would like to mention that it is not ratified in Germany either. The Constitutional Treaty, which was basically the same as the Lisbon Treaty, was refused in referendums in other two countries. If Mr. Crowley speaks of an insult to the Irish people, then I must say that the biggest insult to the Irish people is not to accept the result of the Irish referendum. In Ireland I met somebody who represents a majority in his country. You, Mr. Crowley, represent a view which is in minority in Ireland. That is a tangible result of the referendum.

Brian Crowley, MEP: With all respect, Mr. President, you will not tell me what the Irish think. As an Irishman, I know it best.

President Vaclav Klaus: I do not speculate about what the Irish think. I state the only measurable data which were proved by the referendum.

In our country the Lisbon Treaty is not ratified because our parliament has not decided on it yet. It is not the President’s fault. Let’s wait for the decision of both Chambers of the Parliament, that is the current phase of the ratification process in which the President plays no role whatsoever. I cannot sign the Treaty today, it is not on my table, it is up to the parliament to decide about it now. My role will come after the eventual approval of the Treaty in the Parliament…

Hans-Gert Pöttering: … In the conclusion — and I want to leave this room in good terms — I would like to say that it is more than unacceptable, if you compare us, compare us with the Soviet Union. We are all deeply rooted in our countries and our constituencies. We are concerned about freedom and reconciliation in Europe, we are good willing, not naïve.

President Vaclav Klaus: I did not compare you with the Soviet Union, I did not mention the word[s] “Soviet Union”. I only said that I have not experienced such an atmosphere, such style of debate in the past 19 years in the Czech Republic, really.

[Transcript ends]

[Taken from EU Referendum]

Sarko teaches Czech President how to live

The French President, on December 16, has lined up with the Euro-MPs who used a private visit to the Czech head of state’s residence to upbraid Mr Klaus for not toeing the EU line.

Mr Sarkozy criticised President Klaus for having the nerve to fight back, in his own home, against the EU politically correct police in the form of a brigade of hectoring MEPs from fatuously titled “Conference of Presidents”.

“The presidents of the political groups, should not be treated in this way, neither should the President of the Parliament, neither should the symbols of Europe,” he threatened.

Can it really be right for Mr Sarkozy to start telling the head of a souvereign state what flag to fly from his official residence? Just curious, is he going to tell the same to the Queen?

“I don’t care about your opinions,” said Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Franco-German Green leader, to Mr Klaus.

Neither, it appears, does Mr Sarkozy.

We Respect the Irish Vote

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5 comments

  1. [...] by their methods of coercion, should rather be called “political hit men”). [Transcript starts] Read it here. Is appalling, [...]

  2. meow says:

    THIS is why the Irish don’t want to be part of the EU. Because THIS is how they will treat you… they don’t care about your opinions or how you feel, and they have no compunctions about treating a President like garbage. It was disgusting, and I must say… awfully European.

    I’m sorry, but that’s been my observation and opinion of the so-called European tradition, and European values… they’re the worst people on the planet, and yet they think that they are superior to everyone, and don’t care how anyone else thinks, feels or believes, and will resort to ANY lows and depths to get what they want.

  3. Bob Wanta says:

    President Vaclav Klaus from the Czech Republic is a hero for standing up to these NAZI tactics. I hope to God his people will back him up. I know the young ones will, as they watch all the riots worldwide at this time. Stop ping the Nazis won’t be easy, as they were imported into the USA and then took over the US government in a secret storm. Now they are bullying the rest of the world, still for World Domination. Anyone not wise to this will soon loose the will to live. Mark my words. Fight NWO, for its total insanity & deadly.

  4. Keith says:

    WE in the U.K. DON’T want the EU either, but WE had no choice… no vote as Gordon Brown (NON elected PM??) and Blair both knew the answer would be NO. BUT… we ARE being sold out anyway… Great Britain ‘isn’t’ any more… foreign concerns buying up our companies… we DON’T WANT to own anything? The more I read about the bombastic attitudes… WE NEED OUT!! Ireland was given the vote as IT’S gained massively from the EU funds, that’s what made me laugh. Brave? Ireland never wanted to be told what to do and why should it. That makes them rebels? Only to those who NEED them to toe a line… NO ONE wants to!! EEC is costing… needs to be broken up.

  5. admin says:

    Dear Keith, what does it mean “we had no choice”? We always have a choice! Also, even if the Irish government has gained something from the EU funds, I can bet that Irish people haven’t gained a penny from it – all money went to the pockets of those who are now pushing people to vote “yes”. But thank you for reminding that we should keep an eye on this issue and keep on exposing the EU as a Big Brother superstate, which is more and more overtly being transformed into a pan-European Gulag.